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Comments on "Ten Lessons part two"  
  Started at Mon Dec 19 09:22:46 2005
Hey all,

Just like last time, if you'd like to comment, please do so here. Thanks in advance for the feedback!


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Re: Comments on "Ten Lessons part two"  
  Reply #1 Posted at Mon Dec 19 17:04:48 2005
I like the whole experiment idea...we've been thinkin bout makin a troupe at school...but we didn't know how to promote it and get some folks to come...this gave me some ideas...thanks...


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  Reply #2 Posted at Tue Dec 20 16:55:23 2005
thank god im still in high school otherwise i would have made a butt load of mistakes. thanx jokyr


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  Reply #3 Posted at Thu Dec 22 11:11:54 2005

On Tue Dec 20 16:55:23 2005, Jeffrey Scott Hain wrote: (read quoted post)
thank god im still in high school otherwise i would have made a butt load of mistakes. thanx jokyr


Lucky you. I'm in that damn stage between high school and college where everything has been neither good nor bad. Except the fact that my school didn't think about a troupe until after I graduated. That just hurt.

But I liked your article and agree with it, except what you think of 'Whose Line' and 'Green Screen,' because I like them.

If any of you hate me for that, whoop de freakin' doo.

 
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Re: Comments on "Ten Lessons part two"  
  Reply #4 Posted at Thu Dec 22 12:25:35 2005
"When introducing your show, give the audience an honest appraisal of where you're at in your process!"

whoa, exclamation point!

i recently saw a group called papa fibanaci, 5 college students who were performing as a team for the first time. they performed in front of an audience of friends and supporters. this was their first show, and the gentleman who got the suggestion approached the stage and got the suggetsion as if they had been playing forever. it was extremely effective.

he sat down on the edge of the stage, checked in with the audience, and said, "are you guys ready for some comedy gold?" it was confident and relaxed and didn't even come close to hinting that they were doing their first show. he won them over with that intro.

i think the first impression you give to the audience is more important than letting them know where you are. if you "show" (not tell) them that what you are about to do is something that you love to do, i think that might be all you need.

it's hard to equate what you were saying to making excuses, even though you "told" us not to. i still did.

sorry.


 
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  Reply #5 Posted at Thu Dec 22 16:26:33 2005

On Thu Dec 22 11:11:54 2005, Duff Man wrote: (read quoted post)
I [LOVED] your article and [WANT TO MAKE PASSIONATE LOVE TO YOU], except what you think of 'Whose Line' and 'Green Screen,' because I like them [AND I'M DUMB].

If any of you hate me for that, whoop de freakin' doo.


Whoah! Hold on there, Duff Man. I'm married, and I barely know you.

And, don't be so hard on yourself, dummy. I didn't mean to give the impression that I thought all of Drew Carey's projects are low quality. I don't have anything against "Whose Line" (at least, no more than what I normally have against short form, in general). And, I was actually a very strong Drew Carey fan for a long time. I bought both pay-per-view airings of his original All-Stars performances, and then I drove to Vegas the next day and saw it live. As for "Green Screen," all I know is that the first half of the first episode sucked rocks. It might've gotten better, but I was fast asleep.

My denigrating comments stem entirely from my own arrogant bitterness at being told that "Green Screen" was gonna be the best improv I'd ever seen, and then watching a poorly animated dog spray pixelated urine on Greg Proops for five minutes. The Shakespearean scene that degenerated into "Let's put funny pants on Brad Sherwood" didn't help much, either.

So, for the record, Duff Man, I don't hate you because you like these shows. I hate you because you used the phrase "whoop de freakin' doo." kiss




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Re: Comments on "Ten Lessons part two"  
  Reply #6 Posted at Sat Dec 24 09:51:49 2005
And yet, you used that smoochy emoticon right after it.

Curious.


But I wasn't making an attack on your article, Joe, not in the least. All I said was that, while I got the impression that you no longer liked Drew Carey projects, I still do.

So quit being a baby.

 
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  Reply #7 Posted at Sat Dec 24 09:59:00 2005
You thought I thought you were attacking me?

Dear sir, if I had thought you were attacking me, you'd know it.

...

Because your family would be dead.

And Ryloc, I'll get to you. wink


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Re: Comments on "Ten Lessons part two"  
  Reply #8 Posted at Sat Dec 24 10:24:41 2005
Well la de freakin' da.

 
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Re: Comments on "Ten Lessons part two"  
  Reply #9 Posted at Sun Dec 25 03:20:58 2005
I was kept interested the whole time, it was a good read. If that is the kinda feedback your going for.
I never thought we would have anything in common, like at all, but I was sitting there reading your article and was amazed on how similar we think and.. well..how we rant about things. Although your "English" grammar is better than man (taking a couple of College classes to fix that up).
My thoughts at first was "is this another pro-long form article?" which in a way always leaned towards your preference in long form. Then after your rip on those that argue that "Short form is not art, and Long form is not Entertaining" I could see our common ground, since I lean towards short form, but like to keep things open to eveything that puts on a GREAT show. Not mediocre. And I laughed to myself on how I agree'd on a good many points, and the ones I disagreed with were simply on a short form vs long form biasness and how to go about learning improv.
But it was a relief to have an article front and center of the Utah Improv home page, yelling to people logging in to read it, about QUALITY!! It has seriously been on my mind. Your absolutely right on the money that Bad Improv is preventing the improv community as a whole from gaining or keeping and audience base. The bread and butter are those repeat audience members that come back over and over and that juice up the new audience members.
The drew Carey Green screen point. Great one! I love "Whose Line is it anyway"" and haven't watched it in a while. When I watched a couple episodes of Green Screen, I got a little sick to my stomach. I didn't even want to watch Whose line. but once I did I began to like it again. It was Eye opener! I love experiementation as much as the next, but you got to experiment with something that in your gut you know is going to be good. Not something that your doing for the sake of doing something different.
And at the same time not the same show every week for months on end! Its a fine balance, and I hope a lot of people get the point that Quality has got to be key! I'm not big on rehearsals or improv practice, but the tips on self improvment are right on!
I know a lot of people who keep doing improv for the sheer joy of doing it, and I say right on. That is what is going to a good show. If its become an addictive substance, maybe take a break til its fresh again for you. And at the same time, I know its a hoot for you but self evaluation is key, people should always be thinking "I know I'm great at this certain thing, so now (not BUT) lets work on getting better at this! And WHEN I'm good at it I'll bust it out on stage."
So even though I'll always argue Short Vs. Long Form I thought it was a great, informative, article that people interested in performing improv should read.
this is really long because it 225 am on christmas morning. So, amen... I guess.


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Re: Comments on "Ten Lessons part two"  
  Reply #10 Posted at Thu May 25 11:37:10 2006
One of the coolest things I saw at CIF 9 was the introduction of a group called Dr. Fantastic, from W.I.T. in Washington DC. Their opening line included the words "We're gonna make comedy gold out of your stupid suggestions!"

It was awesome. It was condescending to the extreme. After that, they did a series of 10 second scenes, each based on a stupid suggestion from the audience. Each time they got a suggestion, the actors would visibly roll their eyes and non verbally show their disgust with the utter piece of crap the audience just handed them. And then, after each scene, which were mundane to the extreme, the actors loudly and enthusiastically congratulated each other on how awesome it was. Finally, after four or five scenes, they decided the audience suggestion was just too terrible to go on, and they began performing without suggestions.

Obviously, I thought of this thread. Starting a show in this way can be tough and takes balls. I coached a group once that tried to open a show with a similar attitude, and it was rough. Again, the attitude has to be taken to the extreme if the audience is gonna get it, or you just wind up like Andy Kaufman on SNL.

Bravi Dr. Fantastic!


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